Where to Cry "Fraud!"

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Where to Cry "Fraud!"

Postby Tale of Mac Datho's Pachycephalosaur » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:26 am

So I've been reading through my team's drafted questions for ACF Fall and through some questions my club has written for fun, and I've noticed a couple of instances (in my questions and in others') where a clue points towards the correct answer in a manner that clearly rewards "real knowledge," but not in the category of the question.

For example, take a painting question on a mythological subject: is it necessary to separate a player's knowledge of the myth in question from a player's knowledge of the work of art. And if so, how does a writer accomplish this without resorting to difficulty cliffs and abstract clues that are much harder to follow?

Or, should a writer choose to not write about such topics, pre-empting the problem in the first place?

Long story short, is frauding also a problem within the academic subjects, and should writers try to head off that possibility by discriminating choice of answerlines? What's the conventional wisdom on this? Thanks
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Re: Where to Cry "Fraud!"

Postby Auroni » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:49 am

It is always acceptable to use academic clues in academic questions.
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Re: Where to Cry "Fraud!"

Postby Mechanical Beasts » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:59 am

Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:It is always acceptable to use academic clues in academic questions.

True, but that doesn't entirely answer the question, because it relies on a presupposed idea of academic clues that you don't elucidate and that the poster is confused about.

Tale of Mac Datho's Pachycephalosaur wrote:So I've been reading through my team's drafted questions for ACF Fall and through some questions my club has written for fun, and I've noticed a couple of instances (in my questions and in others') where a clue points towards the correct answer in a manner that clearly rewards "real knowledge," but not in the category of the question.

For example, take a painting question on a mythological subject: is it necessary to separate a player's knowledge of the myth in question from a player's knowledge of the work of art. And if so, how does a writer accomplish this without resorting to difficulty cliffs and abstract clues that are much harder to follow?

It's inevitable that if you mention a figure holding a head people are going to go for something involving Judith/Holofernes or Perseus/Medusa, rather than, I don't know, Kali/Horus, because two of those happened and one isn't even possible. In Renaissance painting, there are also kind of standard scenes that are painted, it's my understanding. So it's even tougher--not even character combinations but entire events are easily "betrayed" in that manner. They're all valuable academic clues and legitimate ways to approach the art--some of my old myth books had the Cellini Perseus/Medusa in them.

Frauding is a problem in academic subjects--it's best not to drop a lot of Finnish-sounding names early, or whatever--but the fact that the world is more cross-disciplinary than quizbowl categorizes it to be isn't a problem. After all, our distribution is arbitrary. Much as NAQT groups lit and myth, what if ACF-2 were to group all the humanities together as a top-level category? Then it would be far less a crime, just because of renumbering.
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Re: Where to Cry "Fraud!"

Postby Frater Taciturnus » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:50 pm

If Andy Watkins Buzzes.
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Re: Where to Cry "Fraud!"

Postby Weighted Companion Cube » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:31 am

Frater Taciturnus wrote:If Andy Watkins Buzzes.

Hey, he just wanted to have real knowledge of the questions.
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