Sir Thopas wrote:You'll learn stuff for quizbowl and you'll follow your own deep intellectual pursuits. You'll soon realize that each isn't all that helpful for the other. Also: people who have deep knowledge of things can tell when they're speaking to people who have shallow knowledge of things. Don't sweat it.
Someone who is really able to think critically about Conrad (and in fact has read the book, is making informed assessments, etc.) will not be long interested by someone who is merely using a higher-than-median awareness literature to "stay afloat" in the conversation.
Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:On the other hand, if you spend an hour writing an excellent, well-research, pyramidal tossup by consulting several sources, then not only will you know the clues that you use, you will also know stuff about the wider context of why the thing in question is worth asking. You don't have to /get/ the subject -- nobody will understand a book like Infinite Jest just by writing a tossup on it -- but at least you have some specific features of the book to talk about if you come across someone who has studied it more extensively.
Sir Thopas wrote:Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:On the other hand, if you spend an hour writing an excellent, well-research, pyramidal tossup by consulting several sources, then not only will you know the clues that you use, you will also know stuff about the wider context of why the thing in question is worth asking. You don't have to /get/ the subject -- nobody will understand a book like Infinite Jest just by writing a tossup on it -- but at least you have some specific features of the book to talk about if you come across someone who has studied it more extensively.
Again, I may just be grouchy, but I don't see much merit in a conversation that goes like:
"Man, I really loved Infinite Jest! It's amazing how well DFW can write all these different voices and send your head spinning in a thousand different directions and make it busy yet still so full of these incredibly tender moments."
"Yeah, and that scene with the Eschaton! That totally happened!"
Quizbowl-exclusive knowledge, especially when it's fairly deep and well-researched, can give you a nice stockpile of anecdotes and, above all, makes you a great listener, since you know enough to prod your interlocutor into displaying his passion or knowledge of a topic—this very well may be what you intended to get across. (You can make a lot of people very happy by having merely heard of something obscure connected to their field of study or area of expertise.) What it doesn't do is allow you to hold a conversation that's of particular value to the other person, either in an academic setting, where deep and insightful analysis is useful, or in a social one, where you can form a connection by trading subjective reactions.
Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:Sir Thopas wrote:Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:On the other hand, if you spend an hour writing an excellent, well-research, pyramidal tossup by consulting several sources, then not only will you know the clues that you use, you will also know stuff about the wider context of why the thing in question is worth asking. You don't have to /get/ the subject -- nobody will understand a book like Infinite Jest just by writing a tossup on it -- but at least you have some specific features of the book to talk about if you come across someone who has studied it more extensively.
Again, I may just be grouchy, but I don't see much merit in a conversation that goes like:
"Man, I really loved Infinite Jest! It's amazing how well DFW can write all these different voices and send your head spinning in a thousand different directions and make it busy yet still so full of these incredibly tender moments."
"Yeah, and that scene with the Eschaton! That totally happened!"
Quizbowl-exclusive knowledge, especially when it's fairly deep and well-researched, can give you a nice stockpile of anecdotes and, above all, makes you a great listener, since you know enough to prod your interlocutor into displaying his passion or knowledge of a topic—this very well may be what you intended to get across. (You can make a lot of people very happy by having merely heard of something obscure connected to their field of study or area of expertise.) What it doesn't do is allow you to hold a conversation that's of particular value to the other person, either in an academic setting, where deep and insightful analysis is useful, or in a social one, where you can form a connection by trading subjective reactions.
But the point that I'm trying to make is that you'll not just know that "that scene with the Eschaton" happened if you do what I said, but you will learn about the significance of the scene. If you put in the appropriate level of work and research into the question, that is.
Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:But the point that I'm trying to make is that you'll not just know that "that scene with the Eschaton" happened if you do what I said, but you will learn about the significance of the scene. If you put in the appropriate level of work and research into the question, that is.
Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:Well in most places which you'd consult for clues about humanities questions, the knowledge obviously isn't arranged as a bulleted list of clues. It's arranged in essay-writing or prose that talks not only about the events but about the context surrounding them. By using those sources to write questions, some of the context will seep into your brain. That's all that I'm saying.
But they seem to be missing the point that that's less efficient studying in terms of getting good at quizbowl. My view is that beyond a certain depth, returns in terms of improvement in quizbowl are extremely low. You can study that deep if you want, but it's not the best way to get good at quizbowl.
Vernon Lee Bad Marriage, Jr. wrote:
As for this comment:But they seem to be missing the point that that's less efficient studying in terms of getting good at quizbowl. My view is that beyond a certain depth, returns in terms of improvement in quizbowl are extremely low. You can study that deep if you want, but it's not the best way to get good at quizbowl.
I'll just reply that it depends how good you want to get. I can't name a single player I'm afraid of at ACF Nationals who doesn't know their stuff.
this method would be a con: you might be able to say "Encapsulation is a key part of Object-Oriented programming!" and not have any idea as to what encapsulation is. However, if you learned about Encapsulation by reading Head First Design Patterns, you would probably have some "real knowledge" about encapsulation.Are the methods used for studying Quizbowl inherently a "con" of knowledge?
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